Lands of Lore: stuck in Draracle's cave due to bug - can someone edit my save/help?

[tempsanity]

I blocked myself from coming back to Level 2 of Draracle's Caves.

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Upon coming back from Level 3 through the only possible entrance, I face a pit that cannot be avoided. I need the Jewelled Dagger (which is on that level) to offer Draracle, plus I need to (probably) get back through L2 after I gift him the item. I'm completely stuck because of the quoted part below.

Could anyone fix my save or tell me how to get out of this situation using the built-in debugger? I spent hours on levels below and I will have to abandon the playthrough if this cannot be done.

I've attached the save file. I'd really appreciate some help.

"DRARACLE’S CAVES LEVEL 2: EMERALD PATH
The East path will lead you to the Jeweled Dagger. Place the emerald eye into the East wall dragon eye socket. Do not open the other path- leave the other dragon eye on the ground there. Go East and be careful of the band of Ratmen. Fight your way North until you are in an open room. Go North to get your Jeweled Dagger. Read the note in the niche. You need a dagger (a Star will suffice). If you do not have a Star or a dagger, go South and to the East and you will see a pit. You need to shoot your bow to hit the button on the opposing wall or throw an item you don’t need. Do this ONCE and the pit will move (do it again and you are screwed!), there is nothing in the niche over the pit. In front of the stairwell leading down to Level 3 you will find crowns and a dagger."

[Praetorian]

Hello,

The last time a similar topic was brought up (viewtopic.php?t=16889) it would appear that a workaround to get out of the "dead end" state could be achieved by using the integrated ScummVM debugger console.

The relevant debug console commands I had tested back then were the "flags" and "toggleflag" (and "queryflag" for a more readable/fast acquiring of a specific flag's value).

I am not too familiar with the game engine, so what I probably did last time was that I played around with the interactive spots (when loading the save file) of that scene and made notes on which of these variables were changing based on my actions. It's also quite likely that "nearby" variables affect states for that specific area, so those would also be candidates to toggle and see whether the behavior improves/gets you unstuck. So if, for example, flag 290 is changing based on an action/trigger in the area, then you could also test if toggling any of 288, 289, 291, 292 and so on, changes anything for the better.

Of course in the end you're looking for a minimal set of flags (or ideally only one flag) that has to be toggled to get you unstuck. The rest of the flags should be set to their original state, as set by the game engine itself in your save file.

However, note that, in that old case there actually *was* a proper in-game way to "unstuck" the player for the seemingly "dead end" state (see that topic for more details on that particular case), so maybe this is also possible here(?)

I which I could help more, but at the moment I have little free time and I cannot do this testing myself again.

[Praetorian]

I blocked myself from coming back to Level 2 of Draracle's Caves.


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Upon coming back from Level 3 through the only possible entrance, I face a pit that cannot be avoided. I need the Jewelled Dagger (which is on that level) to offer Draracle, plus I need to (probably) get back through L2 after I gift him the item. I'm completely stuck because of the quoted part below.

Could anyone fix my save or tell me how to get out of this situation using the built-in debugger? I spent hours on levels below and I will have to abandon the playthrough if this cannot be done.

I've attached the save file. I'd really appreciate some help.

"DRARACLE’S CAVES LEVEL 2: EMERALD PATH
The East path will lead you to the Jeweled Dagger. Place the emerald eye into the East wall dragon eye socket. Do not open the other path- leave the other dragon eye on the ground there. Go East and be careful of the band of Ratmen. Fight your way North until you are in an open room. Go North to get your Jeweled Dagger. Read the note in the niche. You need a dagger (a Star will suffice). If you do not have a Star or a dagger, go South and to the East and you will see a pit. You need to shoot your bow to hit the button on the opposing wall or throw an item you don’t need. Do this ONCE and the pit will move (do it again and you are screwed!), there is nothing in the niche over the pit. In front of the stairwell leading down to Level 3 you will find crowns and a dagger."

So, I had some time this morning to quickly test this segment. I've also written on the Discord about this.
I loaded up your saved game and moved forward to fall in the pit. This brought me down to level 3. I followed the map to the exit (stairs going up) and, upon reaching level 2, the pit had now moved to a location that allows the player to pass by it. It seems that the pit is moving either if you hit the button (not possible when coming from level 3) or if you fall through it.

Unless the actual issue is something different than what I understood, this does not seem to be a dead end, and you can overcome it without the help of the debugger.

I should note that I'm playing with a recent daily build of ScummVM 2.10.0git, just in case this was a bug that was fixed recently.

[tempsanity]

Sorry, due to insomnia I forgot to post here about you helping me on discord.This indeed helped - I tried it before and it either didn't work or I did something wrong. But thanks to your suggestion I was able to progress.